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And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him [1John 5:14-15].
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06/07/2006 at 10:02 pm Permalink
ooh, prayer! One of my favorite subjects!
Mike, would you agree with Dr. John R. Rice that prayer is asking and receiving, or is prayer more of a spiritual exercise we engage in. In other words, can one pray without asking for stuff?
Looking forward to your response…
06/07/2006 at 10:28 pm Permalink
Wow! You put me in a tight spot, because my knee jerk reaction is to disagree with him for the sake of disagreeing.
Is prayer asking? To a certain extent it is. I would say it’s asking in the form of a statement of faith. In other words, our pattern for prayer is obtained from scripture. And we are told to pray according to his will, which has only been revealed to us in his word.
As a result, we know we’re to pray. We know the framework for prayer. And we know what is and is not consistent with doctrine. These act as a guide as we pray. And while there is substance to be learned and followed, this is not a rigid practice. If you read John 17, you’ll gain a great appreciation for how the Lord prayed to his Father while observing all these things.
Now, is prayer receiving too? Well, yes and no. We may not necessarily receive the object of our request. But I do believe we receive edification, faith and joy as a result of our praying. And I further believe all of this works for the edification and good of the church body.
Can we pray without asking for stuff? I believe we can to a point, but not indefinitely. We can certainly dwell on God’s word and upon his creation and upon his grace. Some might call this meditation. I would ask what’s the distinction. But when it comes to supplication on behalf of others, it’s hard to do without asking something.
And as to whether this is an exercise or not, I’d say it certainly becomes such. Obviously we can go through the mechanics of prayer in every gathering we participate in. But since we’re told to pray according to his will and his will tells us that we’re to be tenderly affectionate one towards the other, I find it very difficult to believe we’ll yield much without a sincere love for one another. And I’m actually talking about that phileo type of love that we’re often told not to practice.
One of the things I noticed in my study on the church of Laodicea is that Christ talks of a phileo love for his children. This is obviously above his agape, or covenant, love. He says, “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.” While I’m not suggesting we go around and kiss one another, we are to likewise be affectionate towards other believers.
When we’re observing these things and possess the right attitude, we can affect much, not because we’re great prayer warriors, but because God is working through us to accomplish his will. That’s why we must take prayer seriously and derive our doctrine of prayer from scripture.
I hope this addressed your questions.
06/07/2006 at 11:20 pm Permalink
Yes.
Regarding prayer, do you feel Christians should concentrate on the quality over the quantity…fervency verses time-span? It seemed to me, that most IFBx preachers emphasized how much time is spent in prayer, instead of emphasizing the sincerity in the time we spend with the Father. (For years, I felt like a failure because I didn’t spend over 20 hours a week in prayer like Bro. Hyles said he did.)
If I’m getting off topic, feel free to delete.
07/07/2006 at 5:30 am Permalink
Hey, Mike, another good post.
I recently heard a preacher refer to prayer as a “means of grace.” He wasn’t being sacramental when he said that. What he meant was that God has ordained the ends, and He has ordained the means. Prayer is one of the means that God has ordained for the purpose of getting stuff done.
I totally agree with all of your stated sentiments. I just hate to see us give up the idea that prayer may actually have an observable effect in our world.
07/07/2006 at 7:24 am Permalink
joe,
You’re not off topic at all, and it’s alright if you were.
I definitely believe the quality is more important than the quantity. The pharisees were known for their much praying and for their vain repetitions within their prayers.
One of the things I’ve noticed, and it’s a minor point, so I hope no one takes offence if this applies, is that many of the people I have come across tend to utter Lord or Father in every other word when they pray.
Have you ever noticed that? “Father, we come to you Father in Jesus’ name, and Lord …”
It’s as if they’re trying to remind God they’re actually talking to him– in case he might forget.
Also, another minor point, have you ever noticed Paul closing any of his prayers with “…in Jesus’ name, amen”?
There are certain things we’ve been taught to do, but don’t really bother to ask whether it’s right or scriptural.
Now, in these two cases, I don’t think the outcome is all that affected. But what would our prayers be like if we actually tried to pray as Christ did?
Gordan,
I am in agreement with it being a means of grace. It certainly is as he has ordained all things. And there is definitely no room for hyper calvinism here. Just because he has ordained all things doesn’t mean that we don’t need to pray. If we don’t pray, there are implications to it.
Consider Isaac. He wanted to bestow the blessing on Esau despite what God had told him years before. Despite his disobedience, God worked his will through the deception of his family. So, God will not be denied. But what did Isaac miss out on?
In the case of prayer, God will still work his will. But what does it manifest about us, if we refuse to pray or are slack in our method of prayer?
Prayer is a mark of God’s grace in the life of the believer.
07/07/2006 at 9:54 am Permalink
Several questions: How is meditation/contemplation/thinking different than prayer? If I go outside in the evening to marvel at God’s work, and think about how His creation amazes me, is that prayer? This is a subject I’ve been studying (and praying about), for months. I have some great books, and some not so great books, but I have a lot of questions. This is just one.
“The climax of prayer is just to be with God.” Edward Leigh Pell
07/07/2006 at 10:04 am Permalink
There is an old book by Edward Leigh Pell, “What does Jesus really teach about Prayer?” 1921, wherein he addresses such common teaching as saying “In Jesus’ name”, and examines if that is merely tradition, or Biblical teaching.
Also, in a teen Bible study, when someone praying said “Lord” so many times, we would all just get bored, and start counting the “Lords”!
07/07/2006 at 10:14 am Permalink
Jen,
I don’t think it is different, which was my point. But we can’t just do those things as we’re also required to make supplication for one another, which does eventually require some form of asking.
What was his conclusion about repetitive naming? Was it tradition?
Thanks, as always, for visiting and for your feedback.
07/07/2006 at 11:01 am Permalink
Yes, tradition. And I learned at a Bible Study that ending your prayers with “In Jesus’name” is equivalent to asking as His representative, for His sake, on His account-or, as someone so modernly put it, it’s as if wer’e going into God’s house, and Jesus says, “It’s OK. Let them in. They’re with me-my peeps, my homeboys.”
07/07/2006 at 12:00 pm Permalink
I took a prayer class at when I was HAC, and one of the requirements for that class was that we had to pray at least fifteen minutes a day, everyday. If we skipped one day, we failed.
That just put so much pressure on me. I found myself praying just to “get the job done.” To this day, prayer is one of the hardest things for me to do as a Christian.
I have a short attention span, so I could be praying for a friend on mine, then before I know it, I am thinking “I should call her so we can go shopping.” Then I start thinking about what I need when I go shopping. Yeah, just call me “Dory.” (That’s from “Find Nemo” for all of you who are confused right now.)
Anyway, I have learned that I do better praying for people throughout the day, rather then praying for hours straight. When a friend comes to me with a prayer request, I will pray as soon as they leave, while I am thinking about them, and during the day too.
I have tried prayer lists in the past, but I find myself just reading down the list. I may as well hold the list up and say, “Here, God, read this.” I would just rather talk to Him like I would a friend.
Great post, sweetheart!
07/07/2006 at 12:19 pm Permalink
And hence, Hon, I think you’ve found a secret. The trick isn’t to see how long we can go. But bringing our prayers throughout the day does much for us. Sure, our minds will wonder. But by praying without ceasing, we’re less apt to be vain and more likely to be sincere.
Thanks for stopping by
07/07/2006 at 12:41 pm Permalink
This was one post my measly, little mind understood.
07/07/2006 at 2:52 pm Permalink
AH HAHA–Dory. I laugh just thinking about her. You may enjoy an old post of mine titled “Fis ‘n Kids.”
07/07/2006 at 3:57 pm Permalink
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07/07/2006 at 10:19 pm Permalink
I like what John Piper has to say (on this subject, but not on baptism for example ha!) “There is one thing that God likes to do more than bless his children. He loves to bless his children in answer to prayer.”
This fits in with the discussion of God’s ordination of all things and how prayer works into that. I do believe that James was right when he said we don’t have because we don’t ask.
07/07/2006 at 11:03 pm Permalink
I believe he really does wish to bless us through prayer. Perhaps not in material ways as many would hope for, but certainly meaningful and everlasting ways.
It’s great to see you stop by here and on the other site. I’ve been thinking of you and your brother a lot. I hope you’re all doing well.
08/07/2006 at 1:33 pm Permalink
Thanks…and my brother appreciates it too. Problem is, I think you’re probably thinking of a different Josh
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08/07/2006 at 3:14 pm Permalink
Josh,
That is just too funny! Regardless, glad to have you here! You’re my first rep from the SBC, which I was a part of back in the early 90′s while out in Jacksonville FL.
-Mike
08/07/2006 at 3:25 pm Permalink
Mike! The video link was hilarious! I laughed till I cried! Thanks!
08/07/2006 at 3:38 pm Permalink
Glad you liked it. You never really know folks are going to react to it. So, I try to be a bit sensitive about it.
08/07/2006 at 11:16 pm Permalink
Sorry, this is off topic (and you’re welcome to delete it) but I noticed on another blog that you, Mike, are from NVBC along the way somewhere in your journey. I love watching their services by internet, though I knew I wasn’t getting a complete picture of what was going on there. I’ve always been impressed by Trieber’s keeping his nose clean (far as I can tell), something not usually said for guys in his catagory. He’s a lot easier to listen to than, say, Jack Schaap who goes on ad nauseum about the legacy of “Bro. Hyles” etc. North Valley looks on the surface like a church I might have a few methodology problems with, but could probably function pretty well there. I’d be interested to hear some of your experiences. Feel free to email me if you have time for such a conversation at brojoshallen@aol.com
09/07/2006 at 6:02 am Permalink
Hi Josh,
I really don’t mind the off-topic question. Yes we were there for a while. My wife taught in the high school for 10 years and I taught Sunday school for 8.
He is definitely different than most, probably the result of being burned badly by many.
Please do not misunderstand me about him or the ministry there. I love the man and his family very much. For so long, they treated us as part of their family and I believe this continues though we’ve been away from there since 2000. Plus, if it weren’t for Jack Trieber, and his love and thoughtfulness for us, we would not have our precious son. Out of the blue, he called us into his office one evening with an adoption possibility. We were not on any lists and there were so many others trying to adopt. But he showed a special kindness towards us in the matter. For this I will always be grateful.
Having said that, it was under that ministry when I began to notice many doctrinal disconnects or errors. And it was there that God began stirring my heart so much about true evangelism.
There are many things that go on there, in the past and still to this day, that I simply do not approve of. But among the IFBx churches, I’ve not met a more sincere man. I see him caught in a rat race that he cannot get out of. And it has taken such a toll on his health. And if his heart and mind have been opened up to more excellent ways, it will be difficult for him to implement change in that ministry.
Anyway, I’ll let it go at that. If you wish to ask more questions, please feel free to email me any time.
09/07/2006 at 6:38 am Permalink
Chelle,
That was great about the list, saying, “Read this!”
The last time I used an actual written list, it got to where I’d actually pray things like, “God, you know what’s on that list, so I’m asking that you deal with all that stuff.”
Eventually it dissolved, into, “Please remember my list, God.”
I am very much with you about praying through the day. The multiple hour marathons may work for spiritual giants, but I just can’t seem to do that.
09/07/2006 at 4:03 pm Permalink
Gordan,
It’s nice to know that someone else is like me. Haha!
Tell your family that I said hello. I am still looking for that coke can for Joyce.